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Kyon is the Real God

March 4, 2010

The tittle says it pretty clear…

Haruhi is not the god, but a person that kyon gave the power to so his life is can be more interesting.

Want proof?  Here it is but it’s pretty long.

[SPOILER ALERT!]

Keep in mind that EVERYTHING on here is not written by me, Hiroshi, but on this site here.

Haruhi is either an aspect of his personality, or a convenient person to work his power through. Note his dialogue at the beginning of the series; he once wanted to believe in time travel, aliens, and espers, but has learned to suppress it. Having someone else have god-like powers to create these things allows him denial.

  • This is actually supported by the introduction of eccentric yet sane Genki Girl Sasaki — Kyon’s middle-school friend and the reason for Kunikida’s “Kyon has a history of liking strange girls” — in volume 9, who the anti-SOS brigade insist is the realand original god before her powers were fmiksomehow shifted to Haruhi. Suspicious.
    • Even more suspicious once you realize that despite being Evil Counterparts to the SOS Brigade, there is no Counterpart for Kyon and that their main goal is to make Kyon join them. I think they know something we don’t.
  • Why would Kyon do this? Because Haruhi is unpredictable. That quality is gold to an omniscient being; being able to control everything is boring. Sure, giving her the power means constantly having to run around keeping her from destroying reality; but Kyon will never, ever be bored.
  • In this light, Itsuki the Esper is the Skeptic. Note the capital S; he is either trying to get Kyon to admit his role, or at least desconstruct the “rules” of Kyon’s creation. Kyon’s counter to this is Haruhi; the Unpredictable One. In the novels, Kyon commented that Itsuki’s playing a role in Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead was “very appropriate, even though he had never seen the play that was a deconstruction of that British playwright’s, whoever he was.” Blocking Itsuki’s attempts to deconstruct his reality is a game to him.
  • Nagato the Alien, on the other hand, believes in Kyon’s given reality and in Kyon the Character so much that Kyon the god feels really, really guilty about it. In the fourth novel, upon Nagato getting the power to rewrite reality, she does so in accordance to what Kyon the Character has stated he wants it to be; that is, “normal.” He had to “break his own personal moral code” and gently tell her the truth; he wants things to be crazy. Realizing that being an alien to humanity makes Nagato unhappy, it seems the plot, AKA Kyon, is taking steps for her To Become Human. Itsuki has directly commented on this.
    • Keep in mind, Kyon or Haruhi, the god involved is not aware of having the powers…
      • Not necessary. Maybe Kyon is God, he knows that and is even more Unreliable Narrator than we thought.
  • This troper had the exact same idea, and is really glad someone else did, too. Having read most of the light novel translations, I honestly believe this is where the story is going. Keep in mind that Kyon wanted to believe in aliens, espers, and time travel back in high school, but gave it up to turn “normal” — which would be placed at around… 3 years before the series started. Think about it. He wants to meet Espers, Aliens, and Time Travelers, and, subconsciously, wants to meet other people who are interested in the same things. 3 years ago, this comes to a head — he creates Espers, Aliens, Time Travelers, and a person just as interested in them as he is, Haruhi. Suddenly he’s interacting with EA&TT every single day, he’s going on crazy adventures, and he’s got a cute assertive girl driving said adventures that embodies his own drive for fantastic adventures — as well as his own childish innocence. The fact that she’s extremely attractive and falling in love with him doesn’t hurt, either.
  • The thing that really proves this one for me is that in the Rampage of Haruhi of Suzumiya, when the SOS brigade is trapped in an endless summer it only ends when Kyon does his homework. Sure they explain it as Haruhi wanting to have a perfect summer vacation which includes the group homework cram but it seemed to me that Itsuki was really clutching at straws to explain it. If you look at it from the point of view that the reason the summer loops is because God does not want to go back to school with homework not done makes far more sense.
    • This troper feels that it was simply Haruhi trying to give Kyon more time to do his homework.
      • But Haruhi did not know that Kyon had not done his homework. If we accept that the reason for the loop was Kyon’s homework as opposed to Haruhi’s complete summer experience, then we must also accept that Kyon caused it because he’s the only person who knew his homework was not done
      • Unless the reason for the loop was because Haruhi had wanted to visit Kyon’s house during the summer vacation and used Kyon’s declaration of his unfinished homework as an excuse to have a ‘study group’ at his place.
      • Or that she wanted a definitive finishing task. Otherwise they’re just playing around and not getting to anything, leaving an incomplete feeling leading Haruhi to want to continue. If they finish up Kyon’s homework, the games have been set aside and Haruhi no longer feels that everything should continue like that.
      • It doesn’t even need to be a definite finishing task. It plainly sucks doing nothing on your last day of vacation.
  • This troper thinks that rather than being God himself and bestowing powers on others, Kyon is the ultimate quantum observer, and Haruhi’s powers only work because he is there to observe them. That’s why when everyone was suspiciously appropriately cast in the amateur movie, he was the cameraman.
    • This would also explain how the weird piece of metal that Kyon found (that the Time Travellers asked him to hide from Haruhi) has been foreshadowed to be somehow able to bind Data Entities after Kyon hears Tsuruya speculate that it may be a piece of technology from an ancient civilization….even though the physical affecting data entities makes no sense with what we’ve heard so far. He heard her say it and “charged” the statement by Observing it.
      • Not only that, but Kyon has also Observed the Founder of Time Travel have his “Apple Falling Off The Tree” moment.
    • “Suspiciously appropriate”? It’s not very suspicious when Kyon outright told Haruhi who was what after they got back from being Trapped In Another World. She had a bad attack of Wrong Genre Savvy, claiming that there was no way she’d just stumble upon what she was looking for that easily. Too bad she didn’t know that was the premise and not the plot.
    • You just blew my mind.
  • This troper has a specific spin on it. The god’s powers are manifestations of the subconscious expectations or desires of the god, therefore if Kyon, as a god, travelled back in time with the subconscious expectation that Haruhi had godlike powers, that would cause Haruhi to become god upon his arrival ‘three years ago’, thus creating a situation where Haruhi has godlike powers so Itsuki can tell Kyon that she is god, thus giving him his subconscious expectation that causes her to gain the powers in the first place and oh dear I’ve gone cross-eyed…
  • Alternatively, you could say that Kyon was always the God, but when he learned to suppress his desire for a world filled with aliens, ghosts, psychics and time travellers, he managed to find a girl who just happened to openly wish for the same thing. Thus, he endowed Haruhi with divine powers. Thus, Haruhi’s influence allows for a world where supernatural stuff does exist, while Kyon’s influence prevents the world from becoming too weirdo.
  • Or, to get Gnostic, Kyon is God, and Haruhi is the Demiurge… Wait, that doesn’t work. Kyon is Jesus to Haruhi’s Demiurge.
  • Questions: If Kyon is the real god, what is it with that event 3 or 4 years ago when Haruhi (supposedly) recreated the universe? That Haruhi couldn’t have had powers back then – Then it would basically have to be Kyon from the “present” timeline who visited her and helped her with that sign thingy. But wouldn’t that create a paradox if he transferred his powers to her? And even if he had kept the powers to himself all the time, that would be even weirder because then the whole time-loop problem and the solution of it wouldn’t make sense (Oh and the climax of the first chapter wouldn’t either ^^). So he obviously must have transferred it to her. But that can’t be because of said paradox. Besides, the Data Entity or rather Yuki said they found that godlike power in Haruhi! (And apparently they know of all timelines or something like that) Now of course they could lie to him, but why would they do that.. I don’t think Kyon is the true god (although it would be a sick and awesome twist) unless someone of you could explain the arising plotholes of the theory ^^ But Its still possible that he has some kind of power.. I just say “slider”.. And the 9th novel.. that mindscrewing thing..
    • Well, if Kyon is the true god, then he can make whatever the hell he wants happen. So basically, an explanation for all that you just put forth is “Because he is god, he can make it happen”
    • No. Haruhi’s powers aren’t ultimate either. It still wouldn’t explain how he can be god when another person created the world (and him) 3 years ago.
    • Who says the world was created three years ago, much less by Haruhi? That is just a “theory” by someone who has been called untrustworthy by the other two members of the cast. But it is noteworthy that none can be trusted – we cannot assume that any of their words are true. Indeed, Nagato even points this out to Kyon – the only reason he “knows” what he knows is because he believed what they had told him but, as she herself points out, none of them have proven anything. Heck, this whole section is predicated on the idea that they are actually deific beings, something only one of them claims.
      • And even he claims later he’s not entirely sure of that, but that is the official party line.
  • Well… maybe they’re both gods? Equal and opposite beings, with Haruhi representing Chaos and Kyon representing Order. When the series just began, he was giving up on his dreams of encountering aliens, espers and such, and if he is a real god, then the act of giving up on these things would probably make them disappear, but Haruhi intervened and changed things. And while Haruhi would erase reality over spilled milk if left to her own devices, Kyon keeps her from doing so. So Haruhi keeps Kyon from making the world stagnant and dull, while Kyon keeps Haruhi from randomly reshaping it to suit her whims every other week. It’s a balance thing.
    • I think Kyon is already Balance, it’s Sasaki who is Order to the point of stifling. Or possibly the two of them are making worse a war in Kyon’s own mind over the subject.
      • Or maybe Kyon gave Haruhi power to overcome the effect Sasaki had on Kyon.
  • So, he was using Sasaki as a sort of Author Avatar throughout the time he knew her, but once he lost touch with her and found Haruhi, not only did he subconsciously transfer the powers (or at least the Avatar status, since he still kept the actual powers to himself) to Haruhi, he also unleashed a sort of cosmic Ret Con to make it look like she’d always had them. This actually presents a much more logical explanation for many things…
  • Some evidence I came up with to support this theory after reading it: the mole on Mikuru’s breast. She didn’t even notice it until Kyon pointed it out. The reason? It wasn’t there until Kyon put it there to give himself a reason to see more of her cleavage.
    • This is also why he made Haruhi the comedic version of a Depraved Bisexual. He really enjoys watching Haruhi molest Mikuru but the gentlemanly side of him can’t admit that (that’s obvious just from his Internal Monologues), so he subconsciously wills Haruhi to do it against his token protests. This way, he is free to enjoy the sights while convincing himself he’s not responsible for her getting treated this way.
  • The A and B stories in Volume 9 could be due to Kyon himself being momentarily unable to decide how that story should end, so he leaves his options open.
    • That makes just as much sense as any other explanation for Volume 9…
      • To really take things to the WMG extreme, perhaps the apparent lack of a volume 10 (and the fact that volume 9 ends abruptly in the middle of the story) is because he decided the entire story was stupid and therefore stopped writing it.
  • An interesting idea this troper does not really believe, Kyon was the god, until he unintentionally and unknowingly passed on them some years back. This possibly happened at the time he decided the strange things he wanted would not happen. His powers would no longer be utilized. At that point, it transferred to Sasaki, who didn’t like the idea and passed the ability on rather quickly to Haruhi, who was less easily satisfied/despairing than Kyon and more willing to actually subconsciously have the ability than Sasaki. And now Haruhi seems to be calming down as well…
  • This troper demands a satisfactory explanation for book #7 within this context; because honestly, I can’t see how it could possibly measure up to the awesomeness of inadvertently thwarting evil schemes and causing the invention of time travel as a mere side effect of keeping Kyon too busy to realize that Valentine’s Day is coming up.
  • Mashing it all together… Kyon is the actual God, but being massively Genre Savvy he restricted his own access to his powers and imposed a subconscious mind lock on himself in order to avoid A God Am I moment and all that closed space stuff. Remember when he said that he found out that aliens, Santa Claus, etc. weren’t real ? He actually just banned his powers and so they disappeared. However, omnipotence is a fickle thing, and so it leaked out, a little like magic radiation in Discworld – and found baseball-traumatized little Haruhi. It used her as a sort of secondary host, as an outlet for Kyon’s suppressed desires – so she wishes for aliens, time travellers and ES Pers as a proxy to have wacky adventures. Kyon himself states that he actually likes the stuff happening with Haruhi. Also, note that the SOS girls appeal to him, and that generally it all actually fits. Summary: Kyon suppressed his own powers, is therefore unaware, but his subconscious created / amplified Haruhi in order to please him. may have been said already, but it fits. Oh, and the hand Haruhi takes in the opening ? It’s Subconscious!Kyon offering her ascension in a dream.
    • And Koizumi represents his repressed bisexuality. Note that in one episode of Endless Eight (number 7 I believe), both times he is awakened from slumber, he’s got his hands on his butt.
  • Although I don’t have absolute proof, it seems as though Haruhi rarely acts normally unless Kyon feels some strong emotion. Also, Haruhi has almost no character development in the series and has almost no empathy. This could be because she is Kyon’s subconscious desires (e.g. sexually molesting Mikuru, going on adventures and generally doing whatever she wants). Kyon can stop her because he can supress these desires, although not for long.
    • Actually Haruhi gets her deal of character development in the series too. It certainly is more subtle than what Yuki gets, for example, but this troper was amazed to realize that Haruhi in Snow Mountain Syndrome is in fact quite different girl than Haruhi in The Melancholy.
  • Itsuki seems to tease/hint several times in the anime about the nature of Kyon and Haruhi’s godhead. In “The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina” he implies that Kyon, while unable to affect anything, is the key to bring about change. And in “Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody” he points out that in chess, the queen has all the power and incorrectly states the king has no value, where Kyon is the seemingly valueless king. Haruhi may have the God’s magical powers, but Kyon has either the far-reaching knowledge or the will of God. He even subconsciously knows he’s done something wrong to Yuki and wants to make it up to her, before she tells him what she’s been doing for 600 years.
    • Indeed, “The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina” ‘s plot itself could be seen as a proxy for the story of the series, but Kyon and Haruhi seem to be merged, though Itsuki’s reaction to Nagato’s words imply that he is Kyon in the story, not Haruhi. It is worth noting that, at the end, Itsuki’s character’s “hidden powers” awaken, and given how suspiciously accurate the plot is otherwise in some ways (the cast are all of the correct type, for example)…
  • Another point for Kyon: When Haruhi gets angry at Kyon when he refuses to tell her what is on his mind after her stand-in performance for ENOZ, she throws grass at him, but it is blown back into her face rather than hitting Kyon. Indeed, things always seem to work out for the better for Kyon.
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7 Comments leave one →
  1. March 9, 2010 6:42 pm

    I’ll have to check back later to read it all

  2. July 5, 2010 11:44 pm

    I’ll have to check back later to read it all

  3. sarahcha permalink
    October 13, 2010 3:40 pm

    My head just exploded.
    Also Kyon could just be a hikkimori with an hyper functional imagination… but that would be way to depressing… -_-”

  4. Pablo permalink
    November 12, 2010 8:02 pm

    maybe right before Haruhi decides to write the sign on the school, Kyon creates a whole new universe, in which he has given himself, and the rest of the world, fake memories.

  5. Explanation permalink
    January 9, 2012 4:51 am

    Kyon knows many things about his world:

    1- Theory of relativity, many concepts scientists.. quantum physics.

    This is hard to explain but i’ll try.

    2- That could explain the Normal World., besides of Santa Claus, at the start Kyon knows already Santa Claus is fake. About UFO’s that’s the same thing.. he knew that’s fake. But in his heart he wanted to believe.

    Kyon: I couldn’t help but get depressed at how normal the laws of physics were. I began to stop watching for UFOs and paying attention to paranormal TV shows “because I finally convinced myself it was impossible. I even reached a point where I only had a sense of nostalgia for those things.

    Yes, that’s Kyon, he said that.. I won’t bother anymore, but i’ll still think that Haruhi is the god.

  6. Final Explanation permalink
    January 12, 2012 5:58 am

    I finally end an conclusion about this.

    There may goes some spoilers but worth of it.

    1- Kyon believed once one time about Espers, UFOs, Aliens, time-travelers. (That did really happen!!, what about Nagato, Koizumi..)

    2- In light-novels he said: I wanted to be the main-protagonist, and be part of a story.. like helping aliens, time-travelers and meet them for destroy a “monster” or random things. (This could explain about the huge time quake, and something happened there, unexplainable).

    3- After meeting Nagato, Mikuru, and Koizumi.. they explained about the problem of Suzumiya Haruhi and exploitable data here. “The only thing they don’t know is Kyon caused it.” (This is self-contradictory).

    Mikuru is actually a time traveler, sent back to investigate a massive timequake that occurred three years prior, the cause of which is Kyon. As a result of this event, time-travel beyond that point had become impossible

    4- Kyon doesn’t know that he got god-powers, he believe in Haruhi, because he’s thinking she’s a god. Koizumi said one time: “Kyon doesn’t got any powers”, but that’s a lie, Kyon believe in himself as a Human like his friends Taniguchi, Kunikida … and everything with the laws of physics. (This is self-contradictory again).

    According to “Itsuki Koizumi”, Haruhi “chose” Kyon, though the meaning of this has not been clarified to the reader, but the general idea is that Kyon is the only one that Haruhi would want to have with her if a new dimension was made.

    5- Yuki was the first to tell Kyon her true identity. (Also, the first thing that Kyon started to believe was in Aliens.)

    6- Closed spaces could be created by Kyon in anyway knowing that Haruhi’s a god.

    7- When Haruhi sees Kyon wrestling with Mikuru over a computer mouse, she becomes jealous and creates an alternate reality. Remember that part?

    For be true Kyon was going to sleep, but first before sleeping he started reading the book given by Nagato. (This could explain everything, forget about Haruhi creating an alternate reality, maybe Kyon did it at all.. because he readed Nagato’s book before sleep.)

    8- When Haruhi first saw Kyon in the alternate reality, she said this: “Why you’re here?” “I don’t know what’s happening!”. Kyon said the same, despite in his heart Kyon would like to live his adventures with someone. (Why not Haruhi?, Also this is self-contradictory).

    9- In Remote Island Syndromy, they got stuck in a storm when the owner of the villa is murdered. Well there you go. Haruhi said: I would like something to happen right now!… Kyon: Better not. (Unconscious he knows something can happen and suddenly it does.) Remember also this was prepared from the Agency… After the murdered, Kyon though Haruhi never would like someone to die.. And it has been expected, Kyon saw a mysterious Shadow… (This is self-contradictory).

    At the end of the episode, Keiichi waves the knife, but it is still stuck in the notebook. This is only possible if he took the knife out of the notebook, removed the notebook, and stuck the knife back in.

    10- Asakura Ryoko tried to kill Kyon, but Nagato saved him, because he’s essencial (And i can’t explain why).

    However, Asakura later decides to try and kill Kyon with a combat knife in the hopes of catalyzing an observable reaction from Haruhi.

    11- Ryouko can only appear when certain conditions are met, and now that conditions have improved, Ryouko vanishes.

    12- Kyon told Haruhi that he wanted to see Ryouko again, and all of his friends in the Closed-Space. Later is seen this event: Ryouko appeared in the scenary when Haruhi sang God Knows, Lost my music.

    13- Endless Eight, as you said. Kyon wanted to end his homework first. (This is self-contradictory.)

    I could tell more, but this is an overload of Data.

    My clue about Kyon and Haruhi is: something happened 3-years ago.

    Ending this, Kyon is a god indeed and he is unknown about his powers, believing in Haruhi..

    (Sorry for my English).

  7. noredplanet permalink
    February 20, 2012 5:42 pm

    Yup I think Kyonism works too and heres WHY
    I agree that Kyon could be GOD and Haruhi is either just a scapegoat, Avatar, or momentary holder for his power.

    About the problem with the 3 years ago the world was created?
    Firstly, none of the special people, aka( Mikuru, Koizumi, or Nagato) can be fully trusted and the world may have in fact existed before with Kyon as a GOD who was born in human form with locked away memories. The whole baseball feild signs thing, that could have just been an event subconciously engineered to lead the empowered Haruhi to go to North High School and meet up Kyon, therefore satisfying his desire for the supernatural. His subconcious engineering of the meeting with Haruhi could have caused the huge “time quake” that Mikuru is talking about. The reason that time before then is locked is because now that it is locked Kyon will definitely meet Haruhi in high school.

    Also of note is that all 3 girls in the SOS brigade are all very physically attractive(Yes Nagato seems to also rev Kyon up, just read ch.12 of the manga to see that), and that Kyon gets to individually spend time with all of them. The reason Haruhi is considered as “special” with regards to a relationship with Kyon is so Kyon can continue to experience various strange and interesting events throughout his entire life. The whole closed spaces thing basically ensures that Kyon makes Haruhi happy, therefore making sure Haruhi stays interested in Kyon or at least doesn’t go into depression again. Cause depressed freinds/lovers are really boring, RIGHT?(Disclaimer: I am talking about a work of fiction, if you have a actual depressed freind or partner I apologize for sounding rude)

    The endless 8 loop could just have been Kyon going, “I’ll do my homework tommorrow”, but due to their not being another day before summer break ends, he repeats summer endlessly until he finally finishes his own homework. The whole dragged-around-by-Haruhi thing could also have been him just procrastinating. Because of this Kyon has to get help from everyone in order to finish his homework in the one day he has left.

    When Koizumi tells Kyon that the only thing his organization doesn’t know about is why Kyon is part of the SOS brigade. Well if Kyon is GOD subconciously of course he doesn’t want his fun ruined because the superpowered people that he wanted got wind of him and now treat him special, when in reality he just wants to be a backroom viewer who gets as much action as is reasonably safe. I mean, Koizumi is risking his life in the closed spaces, Nagato is like a disposable doll to the Integrated Data Entity thing, and Mikuru can be trapped in time at ANY time. The movie just shows him having a breif moment when he regrets putting his freinds in danger after which he happily goes back to the normal world in which his freinds are once again in danger.

    Last point, Sasaki and Fujiwara both seem to think that Kyon can help them with transferring haruhi’s God powers to Sasaki, AND Sasaki apparently has some of the power that Haruhi has.

    This might be me just supposing random stuff, but it’s what makes it work for me. The M. of H. S. is an awesome series and I sincerely hope that the author finally gets to work and finishes the series cause I have been waiting so long for the authors conclusion.
    Cioa.

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